Damn. For starters, Jiren is stated to be stronger than a god of destruction. its not like i don't know its non canon to the super timeline. It may not display this or other websites correctly. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less nebulous than Goku's guess about Broly's power). If he isn't already, Broly will naturally scale to become stronger than Jiren under these conditions. Rumor: Ultra Instinct Goku, Jiren, Super Saiyan 4 Goku, and Gogeta coming to Dragon Ball FighterZ Season 2 Vergeben also claims that he heard Season 2 will be bigger than … If Jiren is stronger than Fused Zamasu, there is no way Vegeta or Goku can defeat him alone. Change it to Jiren vs. SSJ4 Gogeta, that would be fun to see. If anyone thinks otherwise, they're welcome to explain why. Gogeta has 10 minutes on his profile, so if thats the case then he should be fine. For the sake of this argument we are removing that hand in hand factor. Super Saiyan Broly V.S Limit Breaker Jiren Speed Equalized (Is this even necessary? Even at ssj, Gogeta would be capable of slapping away ssjbkkx20 goku and ssbe vegeta in a similar fashion to … If you want to be anonymous, don't enter your real name when you donate. MUI defeated Jiren, who is stronger than someone stronger than Beerus, according to Whis, who saw Beerus at his fullest. Also, Goku said that Broly might be stronger than Beerus, while it was suggested by comments made in Dragon Ball Super that Beerus was greatly eclipsed by Jiren. He's definitely the strongest they have ever fought, but only perhaps stronger than GoD level. 10/19/2019. In Dragon Ball Fusions, Super Gogeta is an A-Rank fusion making him weaker than Vegito (Base/Super Saiyan) who is an S-Rank. The only characters who have been proven to be stronger than Beerus are MUI Goku and Limit Breaker Jiren. Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta, (spoilers) Read at your own risk. He doesn't present the evidence when asked about it. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. Furthermore, Hit's progression, especially when fighting opponents who are stronger than him had been noted to be incredible. Yeah. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. While Jiren is very powerful, there is absolutely no denying that Goku can take him down in the Mastered Ultra Instinct state, although for Goku, achieving that form once again has been a challenge ever since. However, due to lack of training, Gohan has gotten weaker with time. Android 18: Who Is Dragon Ball's Female Cyborg? He's Stronger than SSB Kaioken x20 by a large amount so I expect him to beat the shit out of him with no effort. Why would it be? This is a Speed Stomp, it can't be added unless speed is equalized. I do think that if Vegito will go all-out against Jiren early, he will get a high chance of beating the Pride Trooper. Jiren can increase his power to keep pace with Gogeta the same way Broly did, only Jiren can do so with much more strategy and endurance. It was stated that Fusion was allowed and they both saw a potara fused a character a while back. Most of SSB Gogeta's attacks wouldn't/couldn't maim Broly let alone disintegrate him, so odds are Jiren can't oneshot Broly and prevent his growth. He is the author of some of the articles here that you liked, and others that you didn't. So, as I said before, Gogeta wins. If even that. All his children are known to be powerful enough to beat the Gods of Destruction, and the fact that he is even stronger than them means that Jiren is no more than a bug to him. However, when it comes to fighting someone like Gogeta, Broly struggled quite a lot, which is why we're certain that Jiren is powerful enough to defeat him in combat. The resulting fusion should net a pretty sizable increase in power regardless. Jiren's universe was supposed to be one of the stronger ones. No, Infact Vegito basically gets ass raped. My guess is the reason they are giving us the quote is that at some point in the movie, Beerus or Whis may say that Broly is “even” stronger than himself. I think OP … They're pathetically weak compared to Frieza. Beerus is the God of Destruction of Universe 7 and quite possibly the strongest known God of Destruction there is. You can connect with him on his email: reipenber17@gmail.com. So how could Gogeta possibly be weaker than Goku? Wouldn't that be a stomp the other way around? Video games. Potara was a fusion so powerful it was even stronger than SSJ3 goku in base form. That's enough for gogeta to treat ssjbkkx20 goku or ssbe vegeta like beerus did to ssj3 goku. So Jiren is over 10x stronger than Goku. Ignore this guy. We know that Jiren is physically stronger than MUI Goku. Then once UI Goku appears, he forces Jiren to get serious in a fight, and while he didn't win he did push Jiren more than he ever has been. Gogeta wouldn't one-shot Jiren, he didn't one-shot Super One-Star Dragon who has the same feat as the GoDs Jiren scales above to. You guys are supposed to close it. 0 Kudos StrymULTRA. The DB Super Gogeta beats Broly, who is stronger than Jiren, and also beats UI Goku. Gogeta is officially confirmed to be in the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie but which fusion is stronger? So somehow, Broly is going to be stronger than a God of Destruction. 4 Can Defeat: Broly. During the Tournament of Power, we were treated to some incredible action with Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku taking on Jiren in a fight. Jiren is stronger than belmod + he's stronger Beerus via scaling from some magazine promo Loading editor. Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. Firstly, I believe the only character in the series who has the closes idea of how strong Beerus really is would be Whis. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, someone who according to Goku, who has not seen Beerus's full power, MIGHT be stronger than him. 10 Stronger… Goku, on the other hand, scales to the One-Star Dragon, who downscales from being 10x weaker than his next form who's able to destroy the universe. And there wasn't any doubt Jiren was stronger than MZ in 110, or any doubt he's the strongest they had ever fought, but then Whis says "perhaps" he's stronger than GoD level. I mean it's pretty clear gogeta has no chance against hearts.. If hearts is trying to overthrow the omni king and jiren, hit, Android 17,trunks, piccolo can't beat hearts what chance does gogeta have of beating him.. And why does hearts look like gogeta is a challenge.. Fans have debated for years whether or not Vegetto was stronger than Gogeta, but Dragon Ball Super: Broly essentially proved that Gogeta is the stronger fusion of the two. But I'm not sure how Jiren stacks up to Gogeta. I think Hit would be elimated so quickly. To put that into perspective, Broly was able to fight and overwhelm two Super Saiyan Blue level warriors with a mere Super Saiyan transformation. Or if this has been discussed to death already. Universe 6's famed assassin, Hit an extremely powerful character, strong enough to kill most who stand in his path. Top. Such as the evidence that just regular SSJ1 Broly is already superior to Jiren (Who gave MUI Goku a very tough time). Thanks to Kale's special Super Saiyan form, Kefla is several times stronger than an average fusion should be. So as You can see Broly isn’t Stronger than Jiren it’s mostly the fans driding him. You are using an out of date browser. Then you're violating the powers at hand. Gogeta vs Jiren (7-3-0). please stop commenting on this thread its been concluded for 2 months. 16:19, May 4, 2019. If you appreciate the VS Battles wiki, and can afford it, please make a donation to help keep our forum running, so we can continue to work hard to improve on the reliability of our wiki profile pages. Unfortunately for Kefla, Jiren is far stronger than UI Goku, who beat Kefla without even being at the top of his game. So SSB Gogeta would, at most, be 96 times stronger than SSB Goku or Vegeta. I kind of feel gogeta probably isn't stronger than ultra instinct. JavaScript is disabled. In the Manga, Goku got some hits in before Jiren started adjusting his fighting style to counter Goku's movements at which point, the two were fighting evenly until Jiren outlasted Goku, so Goku = Jiren > Belmod and any difference between Goku and Jiren were negligible. FP Broly Got Thrashed by a Gogeta Blue that wasn’t trying while Jiren fought Against MUI Goku on almost Equal Footing As LB and Was Dominating UIO as well. Beerus isn’t a guy whose gonna be surpassed so subtle and subliminally. ps2snesgod (Topic Creator) 8 months ago #10. The main purpose of this forum is to discuss how to properly index the statistics of characters from a wide variety of different fictional franchises. Gogeta or Vegito? I never said speed equals ap. Gogeta is vastly above Omega, who's 10 times stronger than Syn, who matched FPSSJ4 Goku, who is baseline, Omega is 40x baseline for destroying the Dragon Ball sized universe. Jiren was able to fight against Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku during the Tournament of Power, and he even held his own against him, meaning he should be able to do the same against Gogeta. Like Goku, Vegeta is capable of using Super Saiyan Blue to raise his powers to astronomically high levels. In fact, we're pretty sure that it won't take Jiren more than a few minutes to deal with him. I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less nebulous than Goku's guess about Broly's power). 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LB Jiren, while arguably stronger than MUI Goku, lost to MUI Goku due to Goku's skill in UI. NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE LAWS OF DBZ PHYSICS. Let's settle this ToP vs DBSB debate once for all! So if your lightspeed thanks to planet busting power level than a Farmer with a Shotgun who gets light speed becomes planet level since Ki ties in speed & power. If Goku UI is stronger than Gogeta Blue, that means Jiren, too, is stronger than Broly, because the difference in power between Goku UI and Jiren LB is smaller than the difference between Gogeta Blue and Broly FP. Being the legendary Super Saiyan, Broly is someone whose powers are exceptionally higher than average Saiyans. Not even Whis or anyone stated Goku and Vegeta would be able to win this fight fused. Jiren is roughly as powerful as Beerus. (Broly didn't even to fight SSB Blue Goku x20 Kaioken). Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. Since we’re talking GT, I’ll take a liberty or two. Also is jiren weaker than Broly? Actually, I think Jiren has a huge AP adventage. The reason why Kefla is stronger than Fusion Zamasu is the following. -Jiren suppressed is not even phased by Goku SSB x20. For Jiren, this fight should be rather easy, however, we expect Kefla to fare well against him. And … While the Multiplier for Vegito is extremely high. NEXT: Dragon Ball: Vegeta's 10 Worst Defeats, Rei Penber is an avid fan of anime and manga. Regardless if the DB universe treats it as a hand in hand stat to durability and power. MUI and Gogeta Blue are relative. I haven't been keeping up with a lot of the new calcs and changes to DB characters. Super Full Power Jiren, Hit, and Gogeta will fight Godslayer Hearts together, MUI just can't cut it so they are bringing Gogeta out instead. LSSJ Broly is on par if not stronger than LB Jiren & LB Jiren was getting a few good hits on MUI Goku SSB negg diffed LSSJ Broly So, SSB Gogeta would also be stronger than if he appeared in the ToP In conclusion, SSB would stomp MUI Goku. The calc for destroying the DB universe is 40x above baseline 3-A, and Jiren scales above that due to being above the GoDs. Jiren prior to breaking his limits was said to be at or above the level of the gods by whis. Jiren was able to fight against Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku during the Tournament of Power, and he even held his own against him, meaning he should be able to do the same against Gogeta. Although Jiren appeared to be stronger initially, Goku's ever-growing strength proved to be too much for him by the end. MUI Goku defeated Jiren, who is stronger than a GoD that is stronger than Beerus, based on a statement made by Whis, who is Beerus's teacher and knows his full power. Basing this pretty much solely on the fact that that's just how Dragon Ball works. He has 5 minutes right? The calc for destroying the DB universe is 40x above baseline 3-A, and Jiren scales above that due to being above the GoDs. Unfortunately, we've never seen Beerus at full power, which means that his real strength could surpass that of Jiren. Plus MUI has better feats in general. I can buy Beerus being stronger than everything previous. In terms of power, Whis can likely destroy anything that he wants and for him, defeating Jiren shouldn't be a task too arduous. Hit's physical abilities are incredible, however, his strength is his ability to skip through time. Despite that, however, Hit won't be able to defeat Jiren in a fight. There are no boundaries, no reason to hold back and Broly is going for the kill. What are your thoughts? He did not have the automovement but still blew Goku away at multiple points. 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