They tell him tht a person sleeping in warfield is as good as dead and bheeshma will then emerge victorious. u need to undertake further study of mahabharta and come up with some more bizzarre arguments and illogical discussions…………hopefully by the end of this life you will learn something…….a doctor check up might be required as well since your mind doesn’t seem to be working logically enough!). Vijayeendra is ruju , and guru of Sudheendra teertha , influence of Vijayeendra on raghavendrateerth is well known , which can be guaged as he is known as vijayeendra karabjottham . It was an armour given as boon to KARNA by SURYA . •He was even offered a chance to Rule over his Rival ARJUN by KRISHNA [ is it not a good fortune ] He had the protection of highest KInd [ KAVACH and KUndal] is it not good fortune . Most villagers came back and stood in queue within minutes. Every thought will be brought in action,if we just think at some moment that karna was great who fought against Pandavas,it seems one is sinning unknowingly. So when bramha avesha interacts with Vayu the former prevails . Krishna shook his head sadly. So what ever indra does … he wont get any sin according to u Arjuna went into the village, and proclaimed he was going to donate gold to every villager, and asked them to gather near the mountain. Sri Krishna intervened and said that insulting a man is as good as killing him. As you all are great followers of YV , The same influence should have been even on atleast sons and grandsons of Vashishtha . Laughable and blasphemous as integrity of GOD is being questioned here. Thus, he always tries to do welfare of Duryodhana. and also does not find mention anywhere . Draupadi will become your queen, why are you fighting with Duryodhana? ( Bali chakravarty was under Vishnus protection hence tribute demons won over tribute again from Bali ) prasvaapaastra is nxt level to sammohan astra. Another chapter. Everything is not related to vayu…. 1tadA | tutushhuH karmaNA tasya santaH sarve samAgatAH || 18.39||, As Karna was being coronated his father Atirtha arrived there. Ans : let me give tatiriyopanishad : u will come to know tht surya being graha raaja is more powerful than any other graha.. otherwise why will he be called graharaaja. KARNA was Kshatriya by birth , but a suta by SANSKAARA . •Well before Pandavs went to forests and leaving anguish life , Karana was constant under anguish of not knowing his true identity.Who his parents are. After this, Karna secured Salya as his good and efficient charioteer; bramha ………….shrotriyasya chakamahatasya |. Though Karna knew that by bowing to Atiratha, it will be provedthat he is a charioteer, he did not hesitate to bow to him. Having said these words unto Arjuna, Krishna addressed the soldiers, saying, "Blessed be ye, stand all of you carefully, facing the foe!" why will vayu carry himself and b angry. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Here above translation says its Arjuna who got jealous and its Arjuna who challenged Karna for a fight. So sun cannot be greater than Vayu . ( Bhagdatta had the Vaishnava weapon hence he may be inferior to Bhima but not to Arjuna becoz when he fired the Vaishnava weapon the Lord had to come in between and the weapon became a garland of flowers – Arjuna could not kill Bhagdatta without Krishnas help in kurukshetra hence its proven tribute and defeat are 2 different things. ) [ without KArna accepting defeat , this Yagnya would not have deemed complete as Raajsuya is meant for rulership of all the world , KArna was part of world . Notes: Karna’s offer is also on same parlance .Its intent is to bring out the real self of each character . Krishna has shrouded SUN himself with the Chakra [ jayadrath killing ], when SUN himself was overpowered , where his boons stand . One of the strongest points that  followers of Karna [ as invincible] have is the words of Krishna  praising Karna ,on the eve of death of Ghatotkach . hanuman is still alive and so is acharya madhwa… one is avataar and another is amsha… thts the reason why they are coexisting otherwise it’;s a breach of pancha bheda This is simple logic.. droNakarNadrauNikR^ipAH 1kR^ishhNAbhAve mano dadhuH | Lord Krishna Praised Karna for his Qualities and Karna Praised Lord Krishna for His Divinity. It is universally accepted that Human scriptures if not in accordance with Vedas is unauthentic , Yes I can give alternate meaning to Your YV. [boon overtaken][ boon to muchikunda honoured], Samshaptakas had boon from Shiva [ not to lose in a battle ] but lose terribly to Arjun [ boon overtaken], Kritavarma had a boon from Krishna , that he would be Invincible on a chosen day [ boon honoured ], Satyaki had a boon from Krishna , that he would be invincible for a day [ boon honoured when he defeats all the kauravas]. Bhagavat is testimony to it , Entire puranas sing glory of VISHNU with CHAKRA having never failed . Sumeet again saying you know this i dont know this is not going to work , you have to proove why YV is authentic . When Lord Vishnu incarnated as Lord Rama and Lord Krishna, Vayu incarnated as Hanuman to serve Lord Rama, and as Bheema to serve Lord Krishna. suptanam nidhane krte nisi tato muktva vidherastratah there are other shruti vakyas which gives tartamya saying , indriyabhimani devtaas are less than vishayabhimani devtas , manoabhimani devtas are greater than vishayabhimani devatas , and Mahattava bhimani Bramha is greater than manobhimani . Karna is one abiding by bramhins and Devatas. Shree Krishna Praises Karna Many Times in the Epic Mahabharata. Demi-gods led by Shiva have also opposed Sri Krishna sometimes. Everyone Should Read This Wonderful Story Where Krishna Praises Karna Instead Of Arjun. He always abuses Pandavas and praises Kauravas. Recollect the story of ahiraavan whose life was in the five bees kept in a small box surronded and protected by agni himself. In fact original Mahabharatha encompasses all that there is in this world its an all pervasive case study with real superhuman elements far beyond the reach pigmys of Kaliyuga. Unto a blinding darkness (eternal hell) enter those who worship falsely. So, when Arjun is upset because of Krishna’s praise of Karna – Krishna reminds him that he is not the doer. Acharya madhwa may be saakshaat avaatar of vayu but hanuman can never be same as vayu. As far as Draupadi's vastraharan is concerned, she insulted Karna in her swayamwar(no mere rejection as most people say), Karna even lost his son on that day due to the chaos. even in the battle you mention the duel between Karna and bHeema ends with Karna being carried away from the battlefield . 9) If bheema is really great then why does he forget manners and ridicule a challanger like karna as ” sootputra ” when the later challanges arjun. You people are not paramgyani antaryami either. Thus he indicrimintaley ,randomly , honoured or dishonoured at his will . And since Karna was a devotee of Surya he respected that boon. Therefore, sunrise, fire, and moonlight are so pleasing to the living entities. Vayu is different from his son hanuman. Mr. Anon [ ALSO IT SAVED KARNA FROM UTTER DISGRACE again good fortune ]. Seeing his conduct all the virtuous people rejoiced. But to what extent is dependent on a persons inherent capability and Bhakti towards Hari. THUS to learn bramhastra HE lied to PARSHURAM as bramhana .. so that he can learn bramahastra ,, PARSHURAM lord though taught him cursed him to be of no use .. Your YV is also a story my reader . Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Even Balarama got upset with Sri Krishna due to Syamantaka Gem. which perhaps your tiny brain may not > comprehend . So acknowledging his father was the best thing he could have done.!! In Summary of debate karna arjuna – 2 let me quote mr. chiraans answer. If YV is saying GOD is MYTH and then GEETAis saying HE is conveyed by VEDAS . Now those scriptures which are not in accordance with these are known to be faulty . may this Lord Kesava protect us. Raghavendra swamy has mentioned clearly tht no one can become perfect with dvaita philosophy without going through the works of vijayeendra teertha. its just shivaleela … They (the evil) say that the universe is untrue (illusory), without basis [in reason/scripture], and without an Ishvara; that it has no mutual coherence, and is for nothing except lust-satisfaction. o Krishan was aware that chance will be declined by Karan.Lord purpospully offered in such a situation that Karan will never accept.Objective was just to Judge wat goes inside his heart and mind which can weaken him. •Objective of kavacha was to protect his childhood death as his parents refused to nurture him. There is aiteray vakya saying if indriya and devatas vailakshanya [ tartamya] is known then one gets free from samsara .dukh. But the words could not stand the expertise of karna On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Chiraan S wrote: > Sumeet again saying you know this i dont know this is not going to work , > you have to proove why YV is authentic . Blog is meant for learning only (because apparently it seems you haven’t yet fathomed the purpose of this blog! [ DID KRishna really mean it ? ] ( Log Out /  Niraj it’s never too late… everyone is bound to make mistakes… it’s about time you shelve your pride, shake off this dismal attitude and take shelter of Rayaru antargat Hanuman antargat Shri Raama for your own good ….. or no amount of explanation will go into your head and you will see wrong in right and right in wrong… and that leads to undesirable consequences…, Usha – Niraj has been a follower and debater (mainly on Karnas posts) on this blog longer than many others. 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